Comments on: I Still Have Low Expectations For Visual Studio 2010

By: Pete

Pete — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 03:45:56 +0000

The 500% slower comment is direct feedback from a customer, not a quote from Brian. It may be a very specific scenario. Even in the beta I have not personally seen a 5x difference in WPF project compilation perf between 2008 and 2010, and I do compile both WPF and Silverlight projects of various sizes daily.

Pete
Windows Client Dev Community Program Manager
(Opinions are my own)

By: Elegant Code » JetBrains Web IDE

Elegant Code » JetBrains Web IDE — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:03:39 +0000

[...] in beta, the IDE seems pretty stable and I couldn’t notice any performance hiccups so far (which cannot be said from all IDE’s these [...]

By: Roel Strauven

Roel Strauven — Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:02:15 +0000

So why are there still so many programmers/companies choosing for the .Net world?
Every project has it’s own requirements, so why making always the same technology choice?

When i read: “VS2008 WPF slow, VS2010 WPF 500% slower” that scares me..

By: Jack

Jack — Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:23:29 +0000

“the performance is about equal or maybe slightly better in some scenarios than VS2008.”

By: Nick

Nick — Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:26:17 +0000

Another vote for retaining VS2008 with .NET 4.0 support here. Although 2008 is still too slow, particularly in large solutions, and particularly when you have multiple instances open (which those of us working in slightly convoluted source control branch structures will often do).

By: alwin

alwin — Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:46:34 +0000

Oh sorry I misread that, that was for Beta 2. I certainly hope it’s better now

By: alwin

alwin — Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:35:36 +0000

From Brian Harry’s post: “And remember, all of these results are from people who complained about Beta 2 performance (not the 70% of people who didn’t).”

If 30% of my customers would be complaining about performance I would be very very embarrassed.

By: Mark

Mark — Mon, 25 Jan 2010 22:30:08 +0000

On a day to day basis, we have to work with large solutions. We’ve made as few projects as possible and there is no scope for reducing the project count further, and yet VS still chugs along quite badly at times. Now we’re being told that VS2010 isn’t going to improve the performance and may even be slower?

Give me performance improvements over a WPF UI any day of the week. It’s cool that MS like to dog-food and push their own tech, but not when it’s at the expense of improving a part of the IDE that is known to be slow and frustrating. I mean, even changing project configurations using the combo box (switch from debug to release / x86/x64 etc.) is enough to hang VS for a good 15 seconds in large solutions, it’s ridiculous.

By: Davy Brion

Davy Brion — Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:13:23 +0000

@Bertrand

i don’t really have a lot of confidence in them anymore, so that statement holds no value with me whatsoever

@Leon

agreed

By: Leon Breedt

Leon Breedt — Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:41:54 +0000

DevDiv needs to be “Windows 7′d”.

By: chrissie1

chrissie1 — Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:11:08 +0000

Another vote for: “Visual Studio 2008 Service Pack with support for .NET 4.0″

I must be getting old, I used to like new toys.

By: Bertrand Le Roy

Bertrand Le Roy — Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:09:20 +0000

One thing you didn’t quote: “We are following up on all of these with survey respondents. We are not done with performance or functional improvements”

By: J.P. Hamilton

J.P. Hamilton — Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:42:12 +0000

I feel your pain. VS 2010 is at times almost unusable. Any IDE that functions slower than my brain is unacceptable. There are many times I find myself staring at an hourglass wondering what it could be doing. I don’t really appreciate the fact that it wants to lock up for 30 seconds in order to do some “code analysis” for me and show an intellisense dropdown.

By: Kris-I

Kris-I — Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:38:20 +0000

Scott Gu on twitter :

VS 2010 RC performance within a VM is much, much better. Performance in general on lower end machines is better Improvement from Beta2 RT Recent build of VS2010 is really a joy to use. People will like what they see when it goes public ”

Will see …

By: liviu

liviu — Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:44:24 +0000

Hi,

I am also hugely disappointed by both IDEs 2008,2010. I gave Sharpdevelop a try for 3.5 and even Mirador 4.0 that has .net 4.0 support. It works great and it is very “snappier”. Build time is better than vs for small solution, NUNIT integrated.

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By: Ramon Smits

Ramon Smits — Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:42:05 +0000

Indeed a RAM disk speedsup compilation as it increases disk IO. We use this on our build server for temporary fetching and compilation but not on workstations ofcourse.

I also find VS2010 damn too slow. We also have several large solutions and I often have several open at once. This was impossible to work with back then and since then I just do not really believe in a high performance version coming soon.

By: Davy Brion

Davy Brion — Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:26:56 +0000

there’s a difference between being negative when it comes to discussing approaches and something that you’re going to be subjected to every single workday, all day long.

i can’t see how i could possible be positive about something like that

By: Your previous post

Your previous post — Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:23:39 +0000

“A lot of the people in the ALT.NET community are still too negative in expressing their views, or have even stopped trying altogether.”

Something to think about.

By: Krzysztof Koźmic

Krzysztof Koźmic — Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:19:13 +0000

and where’s JetBrains’ IDE for .NET?

Who said you can’t compete with Microsoft on this market?
Seriously,I would switch in a heartbeat.

By: Davy Brion

Davy Brion — Mon, 25 Jan 2010 14:36:02 +0000

@Marcos

i’d definitely be interested in hearing about that