Comments on: The Unrealistic Deadline Anti-Pattern http://davybrion.com/blog/2008/12/the-unrealistic-deadline-anti-pattern/ inquisitive: adjective. given to inquiry, research, or asking questions; eager for knowledge; intellectually curious Wed, 08 Feb 2012 11:42:42 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jeremy Grayhttp://davybrion.com/blog/2008/12/the-unrealistic-deadline-anti-pattern/comment-page-1/#comment-7418 Jeremy Gray Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:05:16 +0000 http://davybrion.com/blog/?p=744#comment-7418 Revisiting the thread after quite some time, but here we go:@Mohammad - I have to admit that I did not realize a visa was in play, which certainly complicates things but doesn't negate my (shared by everyone else) point. It would adjust the timing somewhat, however. ;)@Mai - I provided my answer _as_ a consultant/contractor but hold it equally dear as a permanent employee (which I have been from time to time and expect to be from time to time). This is a classic case of "If you can't change your job, change your job."@Den Ben & Jimmer - right on, brothers! :) Revisiting the thread after quite some time, but here we go:

@Mohammad – I have to admit that I did not realize a visa was in play, which certainly complicates things but doesn’t negate my (shared by everyone else) point. It would adjust the timing somewhat, however. ;)

@Mai – I provided my answer _as_ a consultant/contractor but hold it equally dear as a permanent employee (which I have been from time to time and expect to be from time to time). This is a classic case of “If you can’t change your job, change your job.”

@Den Ben & Jimmer – right on, brothers! :)

]]> By: Jimmerhttp://davybrion.com/blog/2008/12/the-unrealistic-deadline-anti-pattern/comment-page-1/#comment-6927 Jimmer Thu, 25 Dec 2008 12:14:58 +0000 http://davybrion.com/blog/?p=744#comment-6927 This scenario can be easily solved using the Look For Another Job And Then Quit pattern. This scenario can be easily solved using the Look For Another Job And Then Quit pattern.

]]> By: Mai Kalangehttp://davybrion.com/blog/2008/12/the-unrealistic-deadline-anti-pattern/comment-page-1/#comment-6861 Mai Kalange Wed, 24 Dec 2008 11:24:27 +0000 http://davybrion.com/blog/?p=744#comment-6861 I wonder what a contractor would have done. :) I wonder what a contractor would have done. :)

]]> By: Mohammad Azamhttp://davybrion.com/blog/2008/12/the-unrealistic-deadline-anti-pattern/comment-page-1/#comment-6840 Mohammad Azam Wed, 24 Dec 2008 05:50:53 +0000 http://davybrion.com/blog/?p=744#comment-6840 Hi,Thats the main point I was trying to make. Quitting is not easy when you are on a Worker Visa. Without worker visa you are forced to find work in 30 days or leave the country. With these strict rules do you really think anyone in this situation can think of quitting the job? Hi,

Thats the main point I was trying to make. Quitting is not easy when you are on a Worker Visa. Without worker visa you are forced to find work in 30 days or leave the country. With these strict rules do you really think anyone in this situation can think of quitting the job?

]]> By: Dew Drop - December 23, 2008 | Alvin Ashcraft's Morning Dewhttp://davybrion.com/blog/2008/12/the-unrealistic-deadline-anti-pattern/comment-page-1/#comment-6819 Dew Drop - December 23, 2008 | Alvin Ashcraft's Morning Dew Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:34:43 +0000 http://davybrion.com/blog/?p=744#comment-6819 [...] The Unrealistic Deadline Anti-Pattern (Davy Brion) [...] [...] The Unrealistic Deadline Anti-Pattern (Davy Brion) [...]

]]> By: den Benhttp://davybrion.com/blog/2008/12/the-unrealistic-deadline-anti-pattern/comment-page-1/#comment-6818 den Ben Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:53:29 +0000 http://davybrion.com/blog/?p=744#comment-6818 Something's got to give... If both scope and cost (time) are fixed, quality is the only variable left. Mohammed was on a worker visa... on a visa you don't quit right away. However, if I were him, I'd be looking out for a new job right now :) Something’s got to give… If both scope and cost (time) are fixed, quality is the only variable left. Mohammed was on a worker visa… on a visa you don’t quit right away. However, if I were him, I’d be looking out for a new job right now :)

]]> By: Davy Brionhttp://davybrion.com/blog/2008/12/the-unrealistic-deadline-anti-pattern/comment-page-1/#comment-6811 Davy Brion Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:24:22 +0000 http://davybrion.com/blog/?p=744#comment-6811 i mostly agree with that and normally i'd recommend quitting in a situation like that as well... but it's not always that easy and depending on a lot of other stuff it might not always be a good idea. i mostly agree with that and normally i’d recommend quitting in a situation like that as well… but it’s not always that easy and depending on a lot of other stuff it might not always be a good idea.

]]> By: Jeremy Grayhttp://davybrion.com/blog/2008/12/the-unrealistic-deadline-anti-pattern/comment-page-1/#comment-6804 Jeremy Gray Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:44:52 +0000 http://davybrion.com/blog/?p=744#comment-6804 His real mistake was <i>not quitting</i>. A manager that demands a project under inappropriate time constraints, forcing the sacrifice of quality, will demand another project be that way in the future, and another, and another, and another. There is good work to be had out there, for good people, with good people, on good projects. The fear of a lack of job alternatives will only allow more managers like this to run more projects like that, as their employees will begrudgingly go along for the ride. Let some other idiot take on the project that will compound maintenance headaches for future days to come. His real mistake was not quitting. A manager that demands a project under inappropriate time constraints, forcing the sacrifice of quality, will demand another project be that way in the future, and another, and another, and another. There is good work to be had out there, for good people, with good people, on good projects. The fear of a lack of job alternatives will only allow more managers like this to run more projects like that, as their employees will begrudgingly go along for the ride. Let some other idiot take on the project that will compound maintenance headaches for future days to come.

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