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> <channel><title>Comments on: Career Advice For Young Developers</title> <atom:link href="http://davybrion.com/blog/2008/10/career-advice-for-young-developers/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://davybrion.com/blog/2008/10/career-advice-for-young-developers/</link> <description>inquisitive: adjective. given to inquiry, research, or asking questions; eager for knowledge; intellectually curious</description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 11:42:42 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Uk jobs</title><link>http://davybrion.com/blog/2008/10/career-advice-for-young-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-97655</link> <dc:creator>Uk jobs</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 13 Feb 2011 14:53:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://davybrion.com/blog/?p=521#comment-97655</guid> <description>Thanks for the post. Vision is so important in many regards, but I think it is just plain important for people&#039;s life. Who are you, what do you do for work, what is my goals? All can be accomplished better by vision. I&#039;m sure you&#039;re worth more than 20%!!! </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post. Vision is so important in many regards, but I think it is just plain important for people&#8217;s life. Who are you, what do you do for work, what is my goals? All can be accomplished better by vision. I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re worth more than 20%!!!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kai T</title><link>http://davybrion.com/blog/2008/10/career-advice-for-young-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-75108</link> <dc:creator>Kai T</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2010 17:22:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://davybrion.com/blog/?p=521#comment-75108</guid> <description>This is basically good advice, but don&#039;t forget that it&#039;s not just your choice of jobs and employers that can lock you into a life you don&#039;t want.  Two other factors that you need to keep on your radar are:1) Financial obligations -- think it over carefully when you are about to legally commit to something requiring recurring payments (house, new car, even data plans).  Be skeptical, sleep on it.2) Marriage is a huge gamble with limited upside, if it works out. There&#039;s nothing worse for limiting your options and mobility in the job market.  More data is coming out these days indicating men are happier and healthier if they avoid marriage altogether; don&#039;t assume you&#039;re immune to those trends.  Do take an hour or two to think over the legal implications of a marriage contract, well before people twist your arm to sign one.  Short of a felony conviction that follows you for the rest of your life, marriage is the single most career limiting event that can befall you.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is basically good advice, but don&#8217;t forget that it&#8217;s not just your choice of jobs and employers that can lock you into a life you don&#8217;t want.  Two other factors that you need to keep on your radar are:</p><p>1) Financial obligations &#8212; think it over carefully when you are about to legally commit to something requiring recurring payments (house, new car, even data plans).  Be skeptical, sleep on it.</p><p>2) Marriage is a huge gamble with limited upside, if it works out. There&#8217;s nothing worse for limiting your options and mobility in the job market.  More data is coming out these days indicating men are happier and healthier if they avoid marriage altogether; don&#8217;t assume you&#8217;re immune to those trends.  Do take an hour or two to think over the legal implications of a marriage contract, well before people twist your arm to sign one.  Short of a felony conviction that follows you for the rest of your life, marriage is the single most career limiting event that can befall you.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Cvecara Beograd</title><link>http://davybrion.com/blog/2008/10/career-advice-for-young-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-47047</link> <dc:creator>Cvecara Beograd</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:21:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://davybrion.com/blog/?p=521#comment-47047</guid> <description>Most of those is known by all but seems that during of process, some of those tips are forgotten and mostly, money drives decisions.
After a while you are becoming unhappy but then, you are not in position to change so fast...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of those is known by all but seems that during of process, some of those tips are forgotten and mostly, money drives decisions.<br
/> After a while you are becoming unhappy but then, you are not in position to change so fast&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Bemerkenswerte Links für den Januar 2010 &#171; Johnny&#39;s Blog</title><link>http://davybrion.com/blog/2008/10/career-advice-for-young-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-26765</link> <dc:creator>Bemerkenswerte Links für den Januar 2010 &#171; Johnny&#39;s Blog</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:26:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://davybrion.com/blog/?p=521#comment-26765</guid> <description>[...] Career Advice For Young Developers Schon älter, aber noch immer sehr gut. Davy Brion listet einige Tipps für junge Entwickler auf, die bei der Planung der Kariere helfen können. Um eine gute Arbeit zu machen muss man diese gern machen. Wer weiss, meistens braucht man Tipps für die nächsten Schritte in seiner Laufbahn schneller als man glaubt. Einige Kommentare liefern zusätzliche Tipps, ich empfehle daher diese auch anzuschauen.     Kategorien:Medien Schlagwörter:Link       Kommentare (0) Trackbacks (0) Einen Kommentar hinterlassen Trackback [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Career Advice For Young Developers Schon älter, aber noch immer sehr gut. Davy Brion listet einige Tipps für junge Entwickler auf, die bei der Planung der Kariere helfen können. Um eine gute Arbeit zu machen muss man diese gern machen. Wer weiss, meistens braucht man Tipps für die nächsten Schritte in seiner Laufbahn schneller als man glaubt. Einige Kommentare liefern zusätzliche Tipps, ich empfehle daher diese auch anzuschauen.     Kategorien:Medien Schlagwörter:Link       Kommentare (0) Trackbacks (0) Einen Kommentar hinterlassen Trackback [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: ab</title><link>http://davybrion.com/blog/2008/10/career-advice-for-young-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-25425</link> <dc:creator>ab</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:55:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://davybrion.com/blog/?p=521#comment-25425</guid> <description>you forgot one crucial piece of advice which will help improve the workplace and elevate you above code monkey status: STARTING OR JOINING A UNION</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you forgot one crucial piece of advice which will help improve the workplace and elevate you above code monkey status: STARTING OR JOINING A UNION</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jaco Pretorius</title><link>http://davybrion.com/blog/2008/10/career-advice-for-young-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-24914</link> <dc:creator>Jaco Pretorius</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:07:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://davybrion.com/blog/?p=521#comment-24914</guid> <description>Excellent advice - especially the part about not focusing on Job Security.  If you start working at a big corporate you&#039;ll quickly notice that most developers are focused on outdated technologies and are usually pretty old - for exactly the reasons you&#039;ve mentioned</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent advice &#8211; especially the part about not focusing on Job Security.  If you start working at a big corporate you&#8217;ll quickly notice that most developers are focused on outdated technologies and are usually pretty old &#8211; for exactly the reasons you&#8217;ve mentioned</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Career Advice For Young Developers, Part 2 &#124; The Inquisitive Coder &#8211; Davy Brion&#39;s Blog</title><link>http://davybrion.com/blog/2008/10/career-advice-for-young-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-24854</link> <dc:creator>Career Advice For Young Developers, Part 2 &#124; The Inquisitive Coder &#8211; Davy Brion&#39;s Blog</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:37:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://davybrion.com/blog/?p=521#comment-24854</guid> <description>[...] over a year ago, i wrote a post which had some career advice for young software developers. That post was mostly based on things that worked for me, but obviously also on mistakes that i had [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] over a year ago, i wrote a post which had some career advice for young software developers. That post was mostly based on things that worked for me, but obviously also on mistakes that i had [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tiago Oliveira</title><link>http://davybrion.com/blog/2008/10/career-advice-for-young-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-5554</link> <dc:creator>Tiago Oliveira</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:49:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://davybrion.com/blog/?p=521#comment-5554</guid> <description>I believe that the essencial point is &lt;strong&gt;&quot;Make sure you like doing your job&quot;&lt;/strong&gt; for anything that you can to do, not only developing.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that the essencial point is <strong>&#8220;Make sure you like doing your job&#8221;</strong> for anything that you can to do, not only developing.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mike</title><link>http://davybrion.com/blog/2008/10/career-advice-for-young-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-4412</link> <dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 01:36:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://davybrion.com/blog/?p=521#comment-4412</guid> <description>Informative article for us young developers.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Informative article for us young developers.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: keith</title><link>http://davybrion.com/blog/2008/10/career-advice-for-young-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-4379</link> <dc:creator>keith</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 04:08:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://davybrion.com/blog/?p=521#comment-4379</guid> <description>Thank you for your advice!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your advice!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Wilcox</title><link>http://davybrion.com/blog/2008/10/career-advice-for-young-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-4360</link> <dc:creator>Wilcox</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:49:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://davybrion.com/blog/?p=521#comment-4360</guid> <description>This is terrific advice for a developer that comes from real emotional knowledge of how things work in the business world. I wish someone had said some of this stuff to me a few years ago.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is terrific advice for a developer that comes from real emotional knowledge of how things work in the business world. I wish someone had said some of this stuff to me a few years ago.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: engin güller &#187; Genç Yazılımcılar İçin Kariyer Tavsiyeleri</title><link>http://davybrion.com/blog/2008/10/career-advice-for-young-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-4351</link> <dc:creator>engin güller &#187; Genç Yazılımcılar İçin Kariyer Tavsiyeleri</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:06:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://davybrion.com/blog/?p=521#comment-4351</guid> <description>[...] yazı Davy Brion isimli programcının blog&#8217;undan Career Advice For Young Developers isimli yazısının [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] yazı Davy Brion isimli programcının blog&#8217;undan Career Advice For Young Developers isimli yazısının [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Elfi</title><link>http://davybrion.com/blog/2008/10/career-advice-for-young-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-4345</link> <dc:creator>Elfi</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:20:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://davybrion.com/blog/?p=521#comment-4345</guid> <description>&#039;career&#039; and &#039;studies that&#039;
That&#039;s what happens when you want to leave a quick comment ;-)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;career&#8217; and &#8216;studies that&#8217;<br
/> That&#8217;s what happens when you want to leave a quick comment <img
src='http://d18sni7re4ly7f.cloudfront.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Elfi</title><link>http://davybrion.com/blog/2008/10/career-advice-for-young-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-4344</link> <dc:creator>Elfi</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:17:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://davybrion.com/blog/?p=521#comment-4344</guid> <description>Nice observations ;-) However, from my seat (the nerd) it&#039;s not really that clear what the exact difference is between advice for young developers and just overall carreer and personal well-being advice per se... Moreover, some of the comments are just striking (&#039;yeeeeeeeh, you&#039;re soooo riiight&#039;). I mean, come on, good performance and well-being are guided by a strong internal motivation for what you&#039;re actually doing (Self Determination Theory, Deci &amp; Ryan; and many studies who have been supporting that in various work contexts). I don&#039;t get how you can do these activities the entire day (because that&#039;s what work is) without even thinking why you&#039;re doing it. On the other hand: it leaves nerds like us with plenty of interesting future projects ;-)@ Roon: many studies have been focussing on the EVLN-principle (Exit, Voice, Loyalty, Neglect) in times of downsizing, restructuring and other organizational changes. The bottom line is: in case of high employability(*), employees tend to seek other jobs when confronted with job insecure times. High employable workers_will_find (as Davy would say) other jobs. The most strategic way in these changing times (and beware, it will only get worse) is investment in your own employability rate. And the only way to manage thàt in an effective way is... by liking your job and being internally motivated. Look at this, one beautiful round circle! ;-)(*) simple: you have a good profile which allows you to do a broad range of jobs</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice observations <img
src='http://d18sni7re4ly7f.cloudfront.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> However, from my seat (the nerd) it&#8217;s not really that clear what the exact difference is between advice for young developers and just overall carreer and personal well-being advice per se&#8230; Moreover, some of the comments are just striking (&#8216;yeeeeeeeh, you&#8217;re soooo riiight&#8217;). I mean, come on, good performance and well-being are guided by a strong internal motivation for what you&#8217;re actually doing (Self Determination Theory, Deci &amp; Ryan; and many studies who have been supporting that in various work contexts). I don&#8217;t get how you can do these activities the entire day (because that&#8217;s what work is) without even thinking why you&#8217;re doing it. On the other hand: it leaves nerds like us with plenty of interesting future projects <img
src='http://d18sni7re4ly7f.cloudfront.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p><p>@ Roon: many studies have been focussing on the EVLN-principle (Exit, Voice, Loyalty, Neglect) in times of downsizing, restructuring and other organizational changes. The bottom line is: in case of high employability(*), employees tend to seek other jobs when confronted with job insecure times. High employable workers_will_find (as Davy would say) other jobs. The most strategic way in these changing times (and beware, it will only get worse) is investment in your own employability rate. And the only way to manage thàt in an effective way is&#8230; by liking your job and being internally motivated. Look at this, one beautiful round circle! <img
src='http://d18sni7re4ly7f.cloudfront.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p><p>(*) simple: you have a good profile which allows you to do a broad range of jobs</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Lieven op De Beeck</title><link>http://davybrion.com/blog/2008/10/career-advice-for-young-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-4343</link> <dc:creator>Lieven op De Beeck</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:50:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://davybrion.com/blog/?p=521#comment-4343</guid> <description>Hey Davy, Just found your post through the top delicious list!
Congrats and keep up the good work!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Davy, Just found your post through the top delicious list!<br
/> Congrats and keep up the good work!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Davy Brion</title><link>http://davybrion.com/blog/2008/10/career-advice-for-young-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-4340</link> <dc:creator>Davy Brion</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 06:24:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://davybrion.com/blog/?p=521#comment-4340</guid> <description>lots of great comments here... thx :)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lots of great comments here&#8230; thx <img
src='http://d18sni7re4ly7f.cloudfront.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Arun</title><link>http://davybrion.com/blog/2008/10/career-advice-for-young-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-4338</link> <dc:creator>Arun</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 05:19:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://davybrion.com/blog/?p=521#comment-4338</guid> <description>In the context of first 2 points I would like to &lt;a href=&quot;http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2005/june15/jobs-061505.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;quote&lt;/a&gt; Steve Jobs:
&lt;blockquote&gt;When I was 17, I read a quote that went something like: &quot;If you live each day as if it was your last, someday you&#039;ll most certainly be right.&quot; It made an impression on me, and since then, for the past 33 years, I have looked in the mirror every morning and asked myself: &quot;If today were the last day of my life, would I want to do what I am about to do today?&quot; And whenever the answer has been &quot;No&quot; for too many days in a row, I know I need to change something.&lt;/blockquote&gt;On learning from co-workers, you learn the best if you&#039;re at a place where you respect everybody. Something about everyother guy you work with fascinates you. Be it the speed at which they take decisions, the depth they go analysing most difficult problems or the smart code they write.As others said, a lot of passion into work originates from environment. Especially from freedom, challenges you face and feel of ownership for your components.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the context of first 2 points I would like to <a
href="http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2005/june15/jobs-061505.html" rel="nofollow">quote</a> Steve Jobs:</p><blockquote><p>When I was 17, I read a quote that went something like: &#8220;If you live each day as if it was your last, someday you&#8217;ll most certainly be right.&#8221; It made an impression on me, and since then, for the past 33 years, I have looked in the mirror every morning and asked myself: &#8220;If today were the last day of my life, would I want to do what I am about to do today?&#8221; And whenever the answer has been &#8220;No&#8221; for too many days in a row, I know I need to change something.</p></blockquote><p>On learning from co-workers, you learn the best if you&#8217;re at a place where you respect everybody. Something about everyother guy you work with fascinates you. Be it the speed at which they take decisions, the depth they go analysing most difficult problems or the smart code they write.</p><p>As others said, a lot of passion into work originates from environment. Especially from freedom, challenges you face and feel of ownership for your components.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Log0</title><link>http://davybrion.com/blog/2008/10/career-advice-for-young-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-4337</link> <dc:creator>Log0</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 05:18:31 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://davybrion.com/blog/?p=521#comment-4337</guid> <description>An assertion to many similar posts, but it is worth repeating.If we cling on immediate rewards ( say, money? ), we are going to miss something big out there. Yea, it is really cool to work with smart people! Sometimes, don&#039;t you feel want to skip those people who are muddling through life?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An assertion to many similar posts, but it is worth repeating.</p><p>If we cling on immediate rewards ( say, money? ), we are going to miss something big out there. Yea, it is really cool to work with smart people! Sometimes, don&#8217;t you feel want to skip those people who are muddling through life?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Effectize</title><link>http://davybrion.com/blog/2008/10/career-advice-for-young-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-4336</link> <dc:creator>Effectize</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 04:59:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://davybrion.com/blog/?p=521#comment-4336</guid> <description>&lt;strong&gt;89 Ways for You to Become the Coolest Programmer in the World...&lt;/strong&gt;Since there are dozens of posts on becoming a better developer, but no single post with all the advice you need, perhaps, you&#039;ll find this short guide useful.
1. Learn the Skills You NeedLearn the programming basics&quot;The goal of this guide is to b...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>89 Ways for You to Become the Coolest Programmer in the World&#8230;</strong></p><p>Since there are dozens of posts on becoming a better developer, but no single post with all the advice you need, perhaps, you&#8217;ll find this short guide useful.<br
/> 1. Learn the Skills You Need</p><p>Learn the programming basics</p><p>&#8220;The goal of this guide is to b&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: si</title><link>http://davybrion.com/blog/2008/10/career-advice-for-young-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-4333</link> <dc:creator>si</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 04:23:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://davybrion.com/blog/?p=521#comment-4333</guid> <description>A young developer needs to get experience, and lots of jobs require 1-3 years experience, so personally I&#039;m not sure about the first 3 items, since getting a foot in the door can be the hardest part. I started as a junior programmer (coding, network &amp; tech support, cabling, whatever was asked of me) and worked my way up, but of course that depends on where you are in the world and your qualifications. I&#039;m now not far off what most developers are paid at Microsoft.Also, I see &quot;code monkey&quot; in the same light as &quot;lab rat&quot;, both terms can be used in a derogatory way, but I don&#039;t mind the label (and neither do some lab rats I know), binary simian also comes to mind :)So I like your list, but IMHO the first 3 items may only apply to developers with a few years experience.Finally, I used to think what BB says is true, but ~8 years ago, after working 10 years in the industry (lasting on average 2 years per job before getting bored and restless), I finally found a good job with interesting work with good people that pays well. FWIW, I work in healthcare developing clinical applications, which is probably a reasonable industry to be in in this economic environment.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A young developer needs to get experience, and lots of jobs require 1-3 years experience, so personally I&#8217;m not sure about the first 3 items, since getting a foot in the door can be the hardest part. I started as a junior programmer (coding, network &amp; tech support, cabling, whatever was asked of me) and worked my way up, but of course that depends on where you are in the world and your qualifications. I&#8217;m now not far off what most developers are paid at Microsoft.</p><p>Also, I see &#8220;code monkey&#8221; in the same light as &#8220;lab rat&#8221;, both terms can be used in a derogatory way, but I don&#8217;t mind the label (and neither do some lab rats I know), binary simian also comes to mind <img
src='http://d18sni7re4ly7f.cloudfront.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p><p>So I like your list, but IMHO the first 3 items may only apply to developers with a few years experience.</p><p>Finally, I used to think what BB says is true, but ~8 years ago, after working 10 years in the industry (lasting on average 2 years per job before getting bored and restless), I finally found a good job with interesting work with good people that pays well. FWIW, I work in healthcare developing clinical applications, which is probably a reasonable industry to be in in this economic environment.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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