Comments on: Positively Negative http://davybrion.com/blog/2008/08/positively-negative/ inquisitive: adjective. given to inquiry, research, or asking questions; eager for knowledge; intellectually curious Sun, 05 Feb 2012 21:55:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Dew Drop - August 13, 2008 | Alvin Ashcraft's Morning Dewhttp://davybrion.com/blog/2008/08/positively-negative/comment-page-1/#comment-1142 Dew Drop - August 13, 2008 | Alvin Ashcraft's Morning Dew Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:33:21 +0000 http://davybrion.com/blog/?p=302#comment-1142 [...] Positively Negative (Davy Brion) [...] [...] Positively Negative (Davy Brion) [...]

]]> By: WTiltonhttp://davybrion.com/blog/2008/08/positively-negative/comment-page-1/#comment-1137 WTilton Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:53:50 +0000 http://davybrion.com/blog/?p=302#comment-1137 I always think about as, if I can output 40 times more code then the next guy, do I get paid that much? When dealing with ugly code you just gotta start plopping in some test harnesses and refactor the crap out of it, chunk by chunk.The politics though...I'd just say find a new job. For good developers there are good jobs out there for you. Don't settle. I always think about as, if I can output 40 times more code then the next guy, do I get paid that much? When dealing with ugly code you just gotta start plopping in some test harnesses and refactor the crap out of it, chunk by chunk.

The politics though…I’d just say find a new job. For good developers there are good jobs out there for you. Don’t settle.

]]> By: Davy Brionhttp://davybrion.com/blog/2008/08/positively-negative/comment-page-1/#comment-1135 Davy Brion Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:13:24 +0000 http://davybrion.com/blog/?p=302#comment-1135 I can definitely see how it rubs some people the wrong way, but i really have no sympathy for people who complain about the same issues to me privately, yet will not stand up to say what they have to say out of fear for any possible backlash. And when those people criticize me for it, it most certainly rubs me the wrong way as well :)I don't really have a problem with criticism because everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If i am wrong about something, by all means come out and say so. But if deep down you agree with me, and if you know that it really is a problem that comes up in many organizations, yet you feel that this can't be talked about openly then something is clearly wrong.But yeah, a part of me feels that i really should have made my point differently. But then there's another part that feels that there's a lot of hypocrisy about subjects like these...Anyways, i do appreciate your feedback and i do consider this experience a lesson learned :) I can definitely see how it rubs some people the wrong way, but i really have no sympathy for people who complain about the same issues to me privately, yet will not stand up to say what they have to say out of fear for any possible backlash. And when those people criticize me for it, it most certainly rubs me the wrong way as well :)

I don’t really have a problem with criticism because everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If i am wrong about something, by all means come out and say so. But if deep down you agree with me, and if you know that it really is a problem that comes up in many organizations, yet you feel that this can’t be talked about openly then something is clearly wrong.

But yeah, a part of me feels that i really should have made my point differently. But then there’s another part that feels that there’s a lot of hypocrisy about subjects like these…

Anyways, i do appreciate your feedback and i do consider this experience a lesson learned :)

]]> By: Nathanhttp://davybrion.com/blog/2008/08/positively-negative/comment-page-1/#comment-1134 Nathan Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:54:18 +0000 http://davybrion.com/blog/?p=302#comment-1134 I could tell that last post was going to be a fan-hitting type of post as soon as I read it. I almost wrote a blog post myself about the great developers I work with, just to get the taste of it out my mouth :) I don't have any particular opinion about the content of your "manifesto" - although I am in complete agreement with you on one point - if you have people like that working for you, discard them immediately, but I do believe that posts like that, or rather, approached *from that angle*, will never go over well with anyone, they taste bad because they come entirely from a bad place in the mind. You can say what you like about "changing the status quo" - but the emotional content of the thing was what it was, and it didn't *feel* like a call to action at all. There is a line between facing a problem head on and stringing up a straw man to set on fire, and I think the manifesto post was definitely on the stereo-type lynching end of the spectrum :) For better or worse, right or wrong, it *does* rub people the wrong way, even though each and every one of us has worked with people like that at some point in time. BTW - those developers aren't reading your blog or any other blog on building software by their very definition. So, they aren't the ones that had complaints :) I think instead of bristling against the negative feedback you should consider it a lesson learned, and your blog will be better for it in the long run. :) I could tell that last post was going to be a fan-hitting type of post as soon as I read it. I almost wrote a blog post myself about the great developers I work with, just to get the taste of it out my mouth :) I don’t have any particular opinion about the content of your “manifesto” – although I am in complete agreement with you on one point – if you have people like that working for you, discard them immediately, but I do believe that posts like that, or rather, approached *from that angle*, will never go over well with anyone, they taste bad because they come entirely from a bad place in the mind. You can say what you like about “changing the status quo” – but the emotional content of the thing was what it was, and it didn’t *feel* like a call to action at all. There is a line between facing a problem head on and stringing up a straw man to set on fire, and I think the manifesto post was definitely on the stereo-type lynching end of the spectrum :) For better or worse, right or wrong, it *does* rub people the wrong way, even though each and every one of us has worked with people like that at some point in time. BTW – those developers aren’t reading your blog or any other blog on building software by their very definition. So, they aren’t the ones that had complaints :) I think instead of bristling against the negative feedback you should consider it a lesson learned, and your blog will be better for it in the long run. :)

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