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		<title>By: Sara</title>
		<link>http://davybrion.com/blog/2008/06/are-women-better-developers-than-men/comment-page-1/#comment-7658</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 21:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree entirely. Though it is a really nice sentiment!!!! I feel that good developers put no emotion at all in their code, except for love. 

If you care about your code you&#039;re doing what&#039;s best for the code. Not what&#039;s best for the next programmer that comes along. 

Comments that tell the next programmer what the code is doing are for people that think other programmers are idiots and wont be able to read the code themselves. 

Comments are for hacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree entirely. Though it is a really nice sentiment!!!! I feel that good developers put no emotion at all in their code, except for love. </p>
<p>If you care about your code you&#8217;re doing what&#8217;s best for the code. Not what&#8217;s best for the next programmer that comes along. </p>
<p>Comments that tell the next programmer what the code is doing are for people that think other programmers are idiots and wont be able to read the code themselves. </p>
<p>Comments are for hacks.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Toth</title>
		<link>http://davybrion.com/blog/2008/06/are-women-better-developers-than-men/comment-page-1/#comment-526</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Toth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another aspect of the matter is that there are women with male-like brain structure. Often they are the ones that end up as engineers.

Based on studies I have read and heard about, I think that the male brain is better suited for solving complex abstract problems, while the female one is better in for example empathy (hence the comments) among others. That does not decide anything of course.

Another factor sometimes forgotten is that judging how good a developer is should usually be done in a team, because that is how developers work most of the time. Writing cryptic code is really bad when working in a team, but also backfires on most one man projects, so that should not be considered good coding in my opinion. Understanding it may be a good feature however ;)

Comments and forcing people to write them is another thing that can create huge debates. The article stated that they plan to do that, and they talk about it like it was obviously good. There are successfull methodologies that discourage comment wrinting and instead try to focus on creating readable code. I&#039;m not saying that all comments are bad but many of them can be useless.

Finally I would like to add that this seems to be the kind of question that when answered, creates more problems than it solves. Most importantly, it creates a basis for prejudice, even when the study does not show a big difference. People tend to remember the winner and not how much she/he won with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another aspect of the matter is that there are women with male-like brain structure. Often they are the ones that end up as engineers.</p>
<p>Based on studies I have read and heard about, I think that the male brain is better suited for solving complex abstract problems, while the female one is better in for example empathy (hence the comments) among others. That does not decide anything of course.</p>
<p>Another factor sometimes forgotten is that judging how good a developer is should usually be done in a team, because that is how developers work most of the time. Writing cryptic code is really bad when working in a team, but also backfires on most one man projects, so that should not be considered good coding in my opinion. Understanding it may be a good feature however <img src='http://davybrion.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Comments and forcing people to write them is another thing that can create huge debates. The article stated that they plan to do that, and they talk about it like it was obviously good. There are successfull methodologies that discourage comment wrinting and instead try to focus on creating readable code. I&#8217;m not saying that all comments are bad but many of them can be useless.</p>
<p>Finally I would like to add that this seems to be the kind of question that when answered, creates more problems than it solves. Most importantly, it creates a basis for prejudice, even when the study does not show a big difference. People tend to remember the winner and not how much she/he won with.</p>
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		<title>By: Davy Brion</title>
		<link>http://davybrion.com/blog/2008/06/are-women-better-developers-than-men/comment-page-1/#comment-425</link>
		<dc:creator>Davy Brion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yea i&#039;m not a big fan of comments either... comments are great when you need to clarify why you&#039;re doing something in a certain way or fashion and you can&#039;t express it through the code itself. In most other cases, they&#039;re just noise</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yea i&#8217;m not a big fan of comments either&#8230; comments are great when you need to clarify why you&#8217;re doing something in a certain way or fashion and you can&#8217;t express it through the code itself. In most other cases, they&#8217;re just noise</p>
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		<title>By: Bored in Bremen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bored in Bremen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not convinced that woman are better or worse coders, but the argument of &lt;i&gt;helpfull&lt;/i&gt; comments does not make any sense to me.

Some real life examples... 
Written by a woman btw.

&lt;code&gt;
// Delete the population list of MUs
delete pPopulationOfMUs;
&lt;/code&gt;

&lt;code&gt;
// As we work with CAP objectives we define a map of product families counters
// (the key is the product family index) giving us the total amount of time or weight
// (current stocks) that has been scheduled so far for each product family.
map C;
&lt;/code&gt;
could just be 
&lt;code&gt;
map mapProductFamilyStockScheduledSoFar;
&lt;/code&gt;

Another nice comment, but if one wants to know what st and et are you&#039;d have to browse to the definition and read the appropriate comment.
&lt;code&gt;
// Create the unavailable period corresponding to the job (with zero elasticity)
// and update the working period set
CPOSPeriod job(st, et, 0, false);
&lt;/code&gt;

I admit it, I&#039;m a showoff. I like to be clever, and I aim to be considered clever too. But writing cryptic code is not clever in my book. 
I get a kick out of writing code that reads like a Salinger novel, instead of reading like the latest legislation on Statutory Instruments of the Scottish Parliament for instance.
In my company the 50% of the woman are good coders... there&#039;s two of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not convinced that woman are better or worse coders, but the argument of <i>helpfull</i> comments does not make any sense to me.</p>
<p>Some real life examples&#8230;<br />
Written by a woman btw.</p>
<p><code><br />
// Delete the population list of MUs<br />
delete pPopulationOfMUs;<br />
</code></p>
<p><code><br />
// As we work with CAP objectives we define a map of product families counters<br />
// (the key is the product family index) giving us the total amount of time or weight<br />
// (current stocks) that has been scheduled so far for each product family.<br />
map C;<br />
</code><br />
could just be<br />
<code><br />
map mapProductFamilyStockScheduledSoFar;<br />
</code></p>
<p>Another nice comment, but if one wants to know what st and et are you&#8217;d have to browse to the definition and read the appropriate comment.<br />
<code><br />
// Create the unavailable period corresponding to the job (with zero elasticity)<br />
// and update the working period set<br />
CPOSPeriod job(st, et, 0, false);<br />
</code></p>
<p>I admit it, I&#8217;m a showoff. I like to be clever, and I aim to be considered clever too. But writing cryptic code is not clever in my book.<br />
I get a kick out of writing code that reads like a Salinger novel, instead of reading like the latest legislation on Statutory Instruments of the Scottish Parliament for instance.<br />
In my company the 50% of the woman are good coders&#8230; there&#8217;s two of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://davybrion.com/blog/2008/06/are-women-better-developers-than-men/comment-page-1/#comment-404</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trits:

I totally agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trits:</p>
<p>I totally agree.</p>
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		<title>By: den ben</title>
		<link>http://davybrion.com/blog/2008/06/are-women-better-developers-than-men/comment-page-1/#comment-403</link>
		<dc:creator>den ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you should check some of the comments on the original article... my favourite is &quot;Sometimes the code sheds a lot of light on the comments.&quot; by some guy named Nimrod ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you should check some of the comments on the original article&#8230; my favourite is &#8220;Sometimes the code sheds a lot of light on the comments.&#8221; by some guy named Nimrod <img src='http://davybrion.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Davy Brion</title>
		<link>http://davybrion.com/blog/2008/06/are-women-better-developers-than-men/comment-page-1/#comment-399</link>
		<dc:creator>Davy Brion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 04:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, i&#039;m not really trying to answer the question... my &#039;belief&#039; is just based on a &quot;hmm, makes sense&quot; gut feeling :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, i&#8217;m not really trying to answer the question&#8230; my &#8216;belief&#8217; is just based on a &#8220;hmm, makes sense&#8221; gut feeling <img src='http://davybrion.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Trits</title>
		<link>http://davybrion.com/blog/2008/06/are-women-better-developers-than-men/comment-page-1/#comment-398</link>
		<dc:creator>Trits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 03:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moreover, Davy, I do get your point. My only concern is that you are counting the wrong odds to answer this question... a questions which is (as in other domains of competence and gender) very hard to answer as we simply cannot get rid of the obvious bias factors (see Max). So, let&#039;s all just stick to the exciting camp of believers, and let&#039;s all have the wisdom to not approach talent and competence from a gender perspective, in one way or the other (untill the real scientific geeks have found a way to correctly analyze this) ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moreover, Davy, I do get your point. My only concern is that you are counting the wrong odds to answer this question&#8230; a questions which is (as in other domains of competence and gender) very hard to answer as we simply cannot get rid of the obvious bias factors (see Max). So, let&#8217;s all just stick to the exciting camp of believers, and let&#8217;s all have the wisdom to not approach talent and competence from a gender perspective, in one way or the other (untill the real scientific geeks have found a way to correctly analyze this) <img src='http://davybrion.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Davy Brion</title>
		<link>http://davybrion.com/blog/2008/06/are-women-better-developers-than-men/comment-page-1/#comment-395</link>
		<dc:creator>Davy Brion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yea that&#039;s probably true</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yea that&#8217;s probably true</p>
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		<title>By: Max Schmeling</title>
		<link>http://davybrion.com/blog/2008/06/are-women-better-developers-than-men/comment-page-1/#comment-394</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Schmeling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only female developer that I&#039;ve ever had the opportunity to actually work with was very talented. I don&#039;t think this topic has anything to do with inherent gender differences, but that it&#039;s more of a sociological thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only female developer that I&#8217;ve ever had the opportunity to actually work with was very talented. I don&#8217;t think this topic has anything to do with inherent gender differences, but that it&#8217;s more of a sociological thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Davy Brion</title>
		<link>http://davybrion.com/blog/2008/06/are-women-better-developers-than-men/comment-page-1/#comment-393</link>
		<dc:creator>Davy Brion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 17:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i have no reason to think that the training or recruiting would be different... I just don&#039;t believe that women are inherently worse at developing software than men are, which seems to be a pretty common belief among many developers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have no reason to think that the training or recruiting would be different&#8230; I just don&#8217;t believe that women are inherently worse at developing software than men are, which seems to be a pretty common belief among many developers.</p>
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		<title>By: Trits</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 17:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*knock knock* 

Woman speaking.

Well, I&#039;m affraid I have to go for Rob&#039;s comment on this one. Just got back from a conference on ostracism and social exclusion at work and... yep, there it was again: women basically think themselves to be better at anything, ànd despite all these talents they are treated so badly within various kinds of work environments. Hearing those wonderful things about &#039;my&#039; kind, I modestly keep in mind that women also tend to think that they are better qualified than other women... while being so much worse of compared to those other &#039;bitches&#039;. Stereotype thinking, don&#039;t you just love it? ;-)

Now, regarding IT and programming: I&#039;m no IT Lady nor program chick. I am however bussiness consultant (as women really are better in thàt area, mwah) and during my experiences with IT(C) members I was constantly confronted with a major question-offer unbalance in the work population. Take a monkey that loves to either look at a pc screen or earn good bucks, teach it how to use simple codes and... tada... there is it, the latest member of the IT(C) community. So what makes you think women would be recruited otherwise?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*knock knock* </p>
<p>Woman speaking.</p>
<p>Well, I&#8217;m affraid I have to go for Rob&#8217;s comment on this one. Just got back from a conference on ostracism and social exclusion at work and&#8230; yep, there it was again: women basically think themselves to be better at anything, ànd despite all these talents they are treated so badly within various kinds of work environments. Hearing those wonderful things about &#8216;my&#8217; kind, I modestly keep in mind that women also tend to think that they are better qualified than other women&#8230; while being so much worse of compared to those other &#8216;bitches&#8217;. Stereotype thinking, don&#8217;t you just love it? <img src='http://davybrion.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Now, regarding IT and programming: I&#8217;m no IT Lady nor program chick. I am however bussiness consultant (as women really are better in thàt area, mwah) and during my experiences with IT(C) members I was constantly confronted with a major question-offer unbalance in the work population. Take a monkey that loves to either look at a pc screen or earn good bucks, teach it how to use simple codes and&#8230; tada&#8230; there is it, the latest member of the IT(C) community. So what makes you think women would be recruited otherwise?</p>
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		<title>By: Davy Brion</title>
		<link>http://davybrion.com/blog/2008/06/are-women-better-developers-than-men/comment-page-1/#comment-391</link>
		<dc:creator>Davy Brion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I normally don&#039;t get into those kind of statements. But hey, when it comes to coding we do suck (in general) so who knows... i can&#039;t imagine them doing much worse :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I normally don&#8217;t get into those kind of statements. But hey, when it comes to coding we do suck (in general) so who knows&#8230; i can&#8217;t imagine them doing much worse <img src='http://davybrion.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you follow the available literature (euh, eufemism for women tabloids), women are better in all kind of things and men suck at every one of them.
I&#039;m getting pretty fed up with all those stupid women are better at ... statements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you follow the available literature (euh, eufemism for women tabloids), women are better in all kind of things and men suck at every one of them.<br />
I&#8217;m getting pretty fed up with all those stupid women are better at &#8230; statements.</p>
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